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>> if -- >> you got to -- >> just to go over the fiscal cliff, you will go back and -- republicans right there would see $750 billion raised every we are. suddenly these -- these clinton tax -- bush tax cuts are so dear under -- for the 98% of the democrats i have never seen anything like it. never seen anyone love the bush tax cuts so much. more than the democrats. first 98% p they hated them all along and now they love them except the 2%. >> they are not going put one thing on the table unless they get the other, both sides. i don't see them just surrendering to tax cuts on the one hand without any expend organize vice versa. >> do you think there would be any growth, anything positive, from going over the fiscal cliff that would ameliorate the damage? >> it depends on what -- the deficit. >> if you -- depends what the alternative is. alternative is what was proposed yesterday, i would go over the cliff and take -- >> so would all the people on the left. >> but on the other hand, i hope that there can be -- >> 50/50? where are we? >> 50/50, yes. >> you don't think it is 70? >> as a pat
>> if -- >> you got to -- >> just to go over the fiscal cliff, you will go back and -- republicans right there would see $750 billion raised every we are. suddenly these -- these clinton tax -- bush tax cuts are so dear under -- for the 98% of the democrats i have never seen anything like it. never seen anyone love the bush tax cuts so much. more than the democrats. first 98% p they hated them all along and now they love them except the 2%. >> they are not going put one...
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one of our next guests believes the house republicans should dive head first off the fiscal cliff. oh, my god. he's going to have to explain that one to me. don't forget, folks, free market capitalism is the best bet to prosperity. let me just underscore the prosperity part. we need a lot more of it. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "the kudlow report." the new york mets agreed to a megamillion dollar contract extension for all star third baseman david wright today. he's not alone in this year-end wheeling and dealing. we're going to explain why baseball's feeling a fiscal cliff tax frenzy. that coming up in about 30 minutes. >>> now switching gears, with just 33 days until the country's economy plummets off the tax and fiscal cliff and there's still no deal in sight, we see today a daily caller op ed suggesting that republicans in congress should dive head long off the cliff. really? i'm not sure i'm on board with that one. but let's talk. maybe i could figure it out. here now is the co-author of that op ed, neil patell of the daily caller and we welcome back t
one of our next guests believes the house republicans should dive head first off the fiscal cliff. oh, my god. he's going to have to explain that one to me. don't forget, folks, free market capitalism is the best bet to prosperity. let me just underscore the prosperity part. we need a lot more of it. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "the kudlow report." the new york mets agreed to a megamillion dollar contract extension for all star third baseman david...
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senate republican leader mitch mcconnell's home state to find out how the fiscal cliff is impacting constituents there. >> reporter: in the senate, the challenges is bringing together red states and blue states. mitch mcconnell's kentucky is horse country. of the states represented by top congressional leaders, it's the reddest of all. >> among the top leaders of congress involved in fiscal cliff negotiations, the one facing the most home state pressure may be senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. he faces re-election in kentucky, a state where the tea party movement is alive and well. president obama may have won this election but two years ago leaders of the tea party movement elected ron paul's son rand as kentucky senator over an establishment republican. one leader of that movement who runs a high-end audio equipment business says they could do the same thing in 2014, and this time take out mitch mcconnell if he agrees to raise taxes. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are
senate republican leader mitch mcconnell's home state to find out how the fiscal cliff is impacting constituents there. >> reporter: in the senate, the challenges is bringing together red states and blue states. mitch mcconnell's kentucky is horse country. of the states represented by top congressional leaders, it's the reddest of all. >> among the top leaders of congress involved in fiscal cliff negotiations, the one facing the most home state pressure may be senate republican...
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republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion in new tax reform revenue. that's short of the $1.6 trillion that the president would like to see there. also health savings of $600 billion. mandatory savings of $300 billion. revisions of cpa of 200 billion. other discretionary saving 300 billion. they say net savings is $2.2 trillion all told. the white house says this plan is not balanced, and interestingly there's a little side skirmish here between the speaker of the house john boehner and erskine bowls. boehner said this was based on a report that bowles laid out. bawls said no. he said the approach laid out does not repr
republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion...
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if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect in an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans get a tax cut under the framework under the first $250,000 of their income. in some sense, it's a tax cut for all americans. it's just for people who make more than that, we're going to ask them to pay a modestly amount more. >> that's hard to understand given how much going over the fiscal cliff would hurt the economy. why is going over the fiscal cliff worth it for just this one component? if you can get the other components, why wouldn't you take that? >> good question. thanks for asking. what we're trying to do is put in place a comprehensive balance set of fiscal reforms that put us back on the path to living within our means and create room for investing to make the economy stronger, make sure we're protecting medicare for future generations, and forcing the government to use the taxpayers' resources more wisely. in that conte
if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect in an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans get a tax cut under the framework under the first $250,000 of their income. in some sense, it's a tax cut for all americans. it's just for people who make more than that, we're going to ask them to pay a modestly amount more. >> that's...
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over the fiscal cliff heats up. european markets not so much of a fairy world if we can use the draghi expression. a little higher. xetra dax leading the way up 0.3%. cac 40, ftse 100 on its heats. ibex 35 is lower. bond space shows pretty positive attitude, as well. yields falling in spain, italy again this morning. 5.35%, 4.54%. we did of course see italy above the 4.5% yesterday. ten year moving up a little bit, but still south of 1.4%. the euro-dollar has been on the rebound this morning. and look at that up a quarter of a percent. dollar-yen certainly one to watch as we talk about whether japan can finally revive hopes for its economy adding two thirds of a percent to 82.66 this morning. india's latest gtp report highlights just how much it's in need of policy reform. let's go to new delhi. a disappointing set of gdp figures. what's the government reaction now? >> yes, gdp figures are disappoint and that's what the government has admitted. but the government is working on a concrete plan to get growth back on t
over the fiscal cliff heats up. european markets not so much of a fairy world if we can use the draghi expression. a little higher. xetra dax leading the way up 0.3%. cac 40, ftse 100 on its heats. ibex 35 is lower. bond space shows pretty positive attitude, as well. yields falling in spain, italy again this morning. 5.35%, 4.54%. we did of course see italy above the 4.5% yesterday. ten year moving up a little bit, but still south of 1.4%. the euro-dollar has been on the rebound this morning....
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fiscal cliff. but let's get another view of this. gary richards is a senior corporate tax partner. that's the point. these american companies who are evading taxes who the politicians want to come down on, they're doing nothing wrong. the problem lies in the uk tax code, isn't it? >> indeed. the uk tax code is complicated. and that in itself provides an opportunity for companies to plan. also some of what they want to do. it's very important to make this distinction between avoidance and evasion. evasion is illegal. avoidance is looking at the law and seeing what opportunities there are to minimize costs and tax is just another cost of doing business. >> so the long and the short of it is successive governments, whether they be coalition, torrey, labor governments have made a right mess. why is that this tone that is so complicated that creates all these opportunities for avoidance? >> it's because people have built anti-avoidance legislation on anti-avoidance legislation rather than actually thoug
fiscal cliff. but let's get another view of this. gary richards is a senior corporate tax partner. that's the point. these american companies who are evading taxes who the politicians want to come down on, they're doing nothing wrong. the problem lies in the uk tax code, isn't it? >> indeed. the uk tax code is complicated. and that in itself provides an opportunity for companies to plan. also some of what they want to do. it's very important to make this distinction between avoidance and...
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i worry that he's already decided to take us off this fiscal cliff to blame republicans. it might be a short term political victory but it's terrible for the economy. i think that's the wrong way to go. >> senator casey, you heard what congressman brady just said, bills neither the senate or the house is going to pass each other's bill. it doesn't make sense to lay out the ideas without getting closer together. what do you think is the realistic way to find agreement and can you two as the chair and vice chair of the jec can you two find consensus? >> kevin is a good friend and great vice care of our xhe, we work well together and that mutual respects is part of this. i think there's too much cover annual of the personalities of the president and the speaker and all that. that doesn't matter. the key thing is let's focus on priorities like growing the economy, focus on getting an agreement. we may not get all of this done by the end of the year but i think we can move forward. >> what do the nuts and bolts look like, we know what the proposals are in terms of 1.6 in tax i
i worry that he's already decided to take us off this fiscal cliff to blame republicans. it might be a short term political victory but it's terrible for the economy. i think that's the wrong way to go. >> senator casey, you heard what congressman brady just said, bills neither the senate or the house is going to pass each other's bill. it doesn't make sense to lay out the ideas without getting closer together. what do you think is the realistic way to find agreement and can you two as...
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the white house is rejecting a republican counterproposal to solve the fiscal cliff issue. the gop's ten year $2.2 trillion proposal raises the eligibility age for medicare up a couple years. it trims the cost of living increases for social security. and it brings in $800 million through tax reform. but it keeps bush era tax cuts in place for all taxpayers and that's something that the president says he will veto. a new player may be entering the takeover bidding for night capital. the journal reports that it's in you can takes to join vertu financial bid. virtu and get cco have offers o the table. and big lots reporting a loss of ten cents a share. full year profit forecast still above street consensus. >> let's take a look at the futures. at least at this point are indicated higher. dow futures up by about 13 points above fair value. s&p higher, as well. nasdaq up by 4. yesterday dow down low to 60 points. and you did see stocks close right near the lows of the day. dow and s&p 500 were down for the first time in four days. also take a look at what's happening in europe.
the white house is rejecting a republican counterproposal to solve the fiscal cliff issue. the gop's ten year $2.2 trillion proposal raises the eligibility age for medicare up a couple years. it trims the cost of living increases for social security. and it brings in $800 million through tax reform. but it keeps bush era tax cuts in place for all taxpayers and that's something that the president says he will veto. a new player may be entering the takeover bidding for night capital. the journal...
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the fiscal cliff. the president heads to a pennsylvania toy factory pressing his case for a proposal that actually leaked last night seeking 1.6 trillion in tax hikes. republicans in morning balking and cliff fears prompt another company to issue a dividend and it's whole foods. >> owner of taco bell, kfc, have warned that sales hit the skids. the shares yesterday hit a fresh high. >>> facebook unlikes zynga. zynga shares are plummeting this morning on the news. >>> never an ego boost for the ceo when the stock falls on the news that he's keeping his job. that's exactly what's happening with groupon as the board keeps andrew mason. >>> the president heading to a pennsylvania factory this morning. republicans have given a thumbs down to the president's plan which includes a $1.6 trillion tax increase, 50 billion in infrastructure spending for next year and limited entitlements cuts. more companies issue special dividends. whole foods will pay $2 a share. kbw yesterday. what's more interesting to you, ji
the fiscal cliff. the president heads to a pennsylvania toy factory pressing his case for a proposal that actually leaked last night seeking 1.6 trillion in tax hikes. republicans in morning balking and cliff fears prompt another company to issue a dividend and it's whole foods. >> owner of taco bell, kfc, have warned that sales hit the skids. the shares yesterday hit a fresh high. >>> facebook unlikes zynga. zynga shares are plummeting this morning on the news. >>>...
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in terms of fiscal policy, obviously there's a great goal between the republicans and the democrats. at least there's a bit of talk on the table now. hopefully that can start to narrow. we're certainly still living in uncertain times. we're cognizant of that as we inves invest. >> as a small business owner, how would you characterize business right now? your jewelry line, small business activities pmplg. >> i've had the good fortune of creating a fashion brand. i have jewelry, shoes, handbags, et cetera. i found a niche within the market hthat's looking for affordable price points. it's really been resonating very well. >> sounds like you're on style, actually. ivanka, good to have you on the program. we look forward to you ringing the bell and lighting the christmas tree out here. we'll see you soon. over to you, bill. >> all right. thank you very much. thanks to ivanka as well. 15 minutes left in the trading session. the dow holding steady with a gain of about seven points. one of our next guests says the market -- or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all
in terms of fiscal policy, obviously there's a great goal between the republicans and the democrats. at least there's a bit of talk on the table now. hopefully that can start to narrow. we're certainly still living in uncertain times. we're cognizant of that as we inves invest. >> as a small business owner, how would you characterize business right now? your jewelry line, small business activities pmplg. >> i've had the good fortune of creating a fashion brand. i have jewelry,...
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what do average americans want to see in a fiscal cliff solution. we've got the exclusive results of our exclusive cnbc all-america economic survey. >>> now to everybody's all-american, sue herera standing by at the nyse. >> you're sweet, ty. thanks. >>> we're a little bit on the downside. we really kind of retraced a little bit on the dow jones industrial average. previous to this we were solidly in the green in all three of the major market indices. the dow now down 14 1/2 points. nasdaq up eight. the s&p is down just a fraction. of course we are also watching apple on the back of yesterday's drop. the stock today is traded up $4.82. that's just under a percentage move to the plus side. it's rebounding, still at bear market territory, however. it has lost over $50 billion in market cap over the past few days alone. our bob pisani joins me here on the floor of the nyse. what are you hearing from traders? the market is drifting a little bit. the focus is on apple. there seems to be a little bit of enthusiasm that it can come back to the up side. >>
what do average americans want to see in a fiscal cliff solution. we've got the exclusive results of our exclusive cnbc all-america economic survey. >>> now to everybody's all-american, sue herera standing by at the nyse. >> you're sweet, ty. thanks. >>> we're a little bit on the downside. we really kind of retraced a little bit on the dow jones industrial average. previous to this we were solidly in the green in all three of the major market indices. the dow now down 14...
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cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. >> but tyler, as you suggested, this is all a work in progress. the thing we cannot see that is not visible to the public or to the press is what's going on behind the scenes. staff discussions resumed yesterday. don't know how fruitful. i haven't gotten much of a signal from people on either side that a deal is close, but they're work rg at it and sometimes these situations can turn around quickly. >> john, what of the reports today that perhaps at some point the republicans in the house and in the senate would go along with the idea of extending the bush era tax cuts for the under-250 cohort of taxpayers, but let the rest of the thing just go off the cliff? is that a possibility here?
cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. >> but tyler, as you suggested, this is all a work in progress. the thing...
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announced their counterproposal on the fiscal cliff. no real movement there. a couple zigs and zags but we're going out on the low end, about 50 point. we'll quickly show you the charts of the dow, the s&p and the nasdaq, going back for the full year. we're back above the 200-day moving average in all three cases. it's the closest for the dow. we're right at the long-term trend line there. let me show you. i think the s&p is next here. the s&p and the nasdaq are well above their 200-day moving average. move it along, yes. again, these are not precise but you can see it's moving well above that. this is the nasdaq. and the s&p is well above its 200-day moving average. there you are. it's the strongest of those three percentagewise. warren, democrat is typically a pretty good month for equities. >> i don't know if it is this year. yes, traditionally it is. are with going to hit brian's target of 1475 by the end of the month? >> i don't know about that. >> there was a little hedge there. >> 1425. >> 1575 next year. 1425 this time around. w
announced their counterproposal on the fiscal cliff. no real movement there. a couple zigs and zags but we're going out on the low end, about 50 point. we'll quickly show you the charts of the dow, the s&p and the nasdaq, going back for the full year. we're back above the 200-day moving average in all three cases. it's the closest for the dow. we're right at the long-term trend line there. let me show you. i think the s&p is next here. the s&p and the nasdaq are well above their...
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eamon javers joins us with the latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington. eamon. >> and this is a big one, melissa. "the wall street journal" reporting just within the past few seconds here that according to republican congress aides who have talked to the wall street journal, they say they've obtained a copy of the white house's proffer here in the fiscal cliff negotiations. this is the proffer that apparently treasury secretary tim geithner was talking to republican leaders about today. wall street journal citing a number of specifics from this proposal. let me walk you through them and lay out the implications starting with what aides describe as the white house wanting $1.6 trillion in tax increases up front as part of any new deal. the white house wanting to continue the payroll tax credit or similar policy. the white house saying that it wants a permanent increase in the debt limit and pushing a one-year extension of jobless benefits plans. this one will be the kicker, i think, to any deal that might or might not get hashed out on capitol hill. "the w
eamon javers joins us with the latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington. eamon. >> and this is a big one, melissa. "the wall street journal" reporting just within the past few seconds here that according to republican congress aides who have talked to the wall street journal, they say they've obtained a copy of the white house's proffer here in the fiscal cliff negotiations. this is the proffer that apparently treasury secretary tim geithner was talking to...
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if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember, it's only 2%. >> what the -- we just got a statement from senator hatch who called treasury secretary geithner's remarks one of the most stunning and irresponsible things -- statements he's heard in a very long time and i think there's going to be some gop reaction. i will say that the idea for the question i asked came out of comments that president obama had made earlier so i'm not sure how much a change in position this is as it is just explicitly stating the position of the administration. he also said that going over the -- a deal would not get done without a deal on the debt ceiling as well. finally the treasury secretary said the proposal from speaker boehner did represent some progress. >> i think we're making a little bit of progress. i mean, we're still some distance apart. they're clearly moving. they're trying to figure out how to move
if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember, it's only 2%. >> what the -- we just got a statement from senator hatch who called treasury secretary geithner's remarks one of the most stunning and irresponsible things -- statements he's heard in a very long time and i think there's going to be...
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in your morning headlines today, the fiscal cliff dominating the sunday talk show circuit. treasury secretary tim geithner expressing on meet the press that republicans will accept the president's plan to raise income taxes. >> what we're trying to do is make it more likely we come together on a good agreement for the american people that extends tax cuts for the middle class. we're going to start long-term deficits down, tough savings is part of that and investment, things that matter to the american economy. like frut, things to help americans to get back to work. we have a good chance to it now and it's very important we're going to do that. >> secretary geithner said that if republican leaders have alternatives on reducing the deficit, they need the offer their propose yaels to the government. >>> manufacturing activity in china has hit a new high. hsbc's manufacturing purchasing index came in at 55 in november. it separates expansion from contraction. and the latest twilight film was number one at the weekend box office for the thrt straid straight weekend. it took in
in your morning headlines today, the fiscal cliff dominating the sunday talk show circuit. treasury secretary tim geithner expressing on meet the press that republicans will accept the president's plan to raise income taxes. >> what we're trying to do is make it more likely we come together on a good agreement for the american people that extends tax cuts for the middle class. we're going to start long-term deficits down, tough savings is part of that and investment, things that matter to...
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if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. it's only 2%. >> dr. krueger, as the man who is maybe more than anyone the steward of the economy itself, are you okay with that? >> absolutely. the president made clear during the election that he wants a balanced approach, that we can't afford the tax cuts for the most fortunate among us. that the way to provide opportunity and build the middle class in this country is to get on a fiscally sustainable path and to ask wealthiest to pay a little bit more. president couldn't have been clearer about that. >> at cnbc we have a campaign called rise above. and the essence of rise above campaign is there should be more spirit of compromise. there was no compromise from treasury secretary geithner in that interview. would you wear a rise above pin and would you rise above? >> i think the secretary, the president, have drawn very few red lines here. th
if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. it's only 2%. >> dr. krueger, as the man who is maybe more than anyone the steward of the economy itself, are you okay with that? >> absolutely. the president made clear during the election that he wants a balanced approach, that we can't...
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. >> will the fiscal cliff impact the mustang ranch? >> well, if folks rub out of money and jobs, i suppose it could. >> gillman is a republican who is looking to nevada's powerful democrat harry reid to keep that from happening. >> do you like harry read? >> harry reid and i have been friends if 30r years and harry and i both share a vision and a love for the state of nevada. >> susan austin says even here the cliff will hurt. >> anything that happens in washington affects everybody in the united states. it's going trickle down to me sooner or later, so it's definitely going to hurt me in the end. >> we're going to have her entire interview later. funnybusiness.cnbc.com. she didn't say what she wants harry reid to do over it. she says you don't talk politics or religion at a brothel. he wants to make sure it doesn't kill nevada's fledgling recovery. later gillman takes it to a 30,000-acre industrial park he's built for facilities for walmart and toys "r" us. he says when it comes to the fallout for fiscal cliffing he says, quote, this
. >> will the fiscal cliff impact the mustang ranch? >> well, if folks rub out of money and jobs, i suppose it could. >> gillman is a republican who is looking to nevada's powerful democrat harry reid to keep that from happening. >> do you like harry read? >> harry reid and i have been friends if 30r years and harry and i both share a vision and a love for the state of nevada. >> susan austin says even here the cliff will hurt. >> anything that happens...
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shots at each other yet again as the fiscal cliff looms. how can you protect yourself if we nose dive off the cliff? what are we watching today, kathy? >> i think you have seen in the price action that all this yo-yoing with regard to the fiscal cliff is weighing on anticipate tights. what i'm watching is the lack of reaction in dollar/yen. dollar/yen had a really nice run-up in november. i think it is stalling right now. there's probably some opportunity for to adjust as well. i think that's probably the next currency to roll over if the concerns exacerbate. >> what levels are you looking at? >> i'm looking to basically sell dollar/yen around current levels around 82 with a stop at 82.75. i want to have a closer target at 81.75 because the fis calf cliff is not necessarily very bearish for the u.s. dollar. in a further tart at 80. >> kathy, good to talk to you, as always. >>> final trades just after this break. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent f
shots at each other yet again as the fiscal cliff looms. how can you protect yourself if we nose dive off the cliff? what are we watching today, kathy? >> i think you have seen in the price action that all this yo-yoing with regard to the fiscal cliff is weighing on anticipate tights. what i'm watching is the lack of reaction in dollar/yen. dollar/yen had a really nice run-up in november. i think it is stalling right now. there's probably some opportunity for to adjust as well. i think...
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we're going to have some data tomorrow on the fiscal cliff from our all america survey. and it's going to very much make this point that the things that, by the way, republicans and democrats both oppose are things like cuts in medicare spending, raising the retirement age, which is fine. and you can have that. you can have that, but you have that at a dual cost. one is the actual cost that happens when you pay for these programs, the other one is the cost of growing government relative to the private sector. and the thing, dan, tell me if i'm wrong here, that economists don't like about that is it takes a bigger piece of the economy out of connection to productivity growth. we have this number 2.9% productivity, that is in private sector. we don't measure in government -- partially because there isn't any. >> there is some, we don't actually measure it. what you have is a situation where if government does grow less of the economy becomes connected to productivity growth. >> that's totally fair. i don't think anything you're saying is wrong, but i do want -- >> that may
we're going to have some data tomorrow on the fiscal cliff from our all america survey. and it's going to very much make this point that the things that, by the way, republicans and democrats both oppose are things like cuts in medicare spending, raising the retirement age, which is fine. and you can have that. you can have that, but you have that at a dual cost. one is the actual cost that happens when you pay for these programs, the other one is the cost of growing government relative to the...
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have collapsed with one month to go before the fiscal cliff. our traders for the hour, joe terranova, stephanie link, simon baker, josh brown. they're ready with your best plays right now. and joe terranova, play this market. >> 4:00 this morning when i got up, i turned on the screens. looked at where the market was and tweeted directly to stephanie. if you are a money manager, you were asked at 4:00 in the morning, why is the market here, why is it not lower? well, it's now 12:00, scott, and after the ism, the s&p futures trading 14, 15, the same question. why is the market here? it should be lower, given all the fundamentals going on in the marketplace right now. that tells you, there's something going on here psychologically that goes beyond the negativity that we see out of d.c. maybe the street is smarter than we expect. but you are seeing a little bit of a lift. and any market that's quiet, you never sell it. >> josh, the market is hanging in. >> short-term traders are really nervous about missing a santa claus rally. so you're seeing thi
have collapsed with one month to go before the fiscal cliff. our traders for the hour, joe terranova, stephanie link, simon baker, josh brown. they're ready with your best plays right now. and joe terranova, play this market. >> 4:00 this morning when i got up, i turned on the screens. looked at where the market was and tweeted directly to stephanie. if you are a money manager, you were asked at 4:00 in the morning, why is the market here, why is it not lower? well, it's now 12:00, scott,...
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fiscal cliff. >> at what point do you get concerned? it sounds like perhaps a risk of revisions to q-4 estimates to the downside at this point because as the negotiations grind on and we approach year end, it might reach more of the forefront of consumers' mind and they may pull back. are you concerned about that impact? >> i am. right now we only have october data in hand. and fiscal cliff fears really accelerated in november. if you want to proxy that with something like google searches for fiscal cliff. so we don't really have much november data yet. or december data of course. i think that's where if you're going to see fiscal cliff uncertainty hit, that's where you feel it. i think there is a risk that we could go even lower than 1.5 on fourth quarter growth. >> michael, it's interesting that at no point during this conversation have you elected to talk about the federal reserve which is buying $85 billion of assets every month behind the scenes and on september 12th announced it would have qe
fiscal cliff. >> at what point do you get concerned? it sounds like perhaps a risk of revisions to q-4 estimates to the downside at this point because as the negotiations grind on and we approach year end, it might reach more of the forefront of consumers' mind and they may pull back. are you concerned about that impact? >> i am. right now we only have october data in hand. and fiscal cliff fears really accelerated in november. if you want to proxy that with something like google...